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20th April, 2008

THINK FOR THE HORSE B4 OURSELVES

It is rare that I use Mrs. HP as an example in the search for training opportunities for you, my readers. I do try very hard to turn everything, even drama, into a learning/teaching experience whereby you and your Horses become more together.

During the week, I was helping Mrs. HP with the training of her Horse and as usual in this God Forsaken Climate, it was too hot at 24 degrees. I could see that her Horse was struggling with the work and it was due to heat. The long Winter coat that was growing in readiness for Rain was making it very difficult for her. Anyhow, I cut the lesson short for the Horse and the following day Mrs. HP clipped her.

Today was the first round of the Australian Prix St. Georges Cup which is a comp for the top 3 Horses from each State over a set number of comps and then the top however many go to Sydney for the Final apparently. Her Horse was firing today and she won the Prix St. Georges and the Advanced we are told (had to leave early of course)

Tonight, whilst watching the video of her tests, Mrs. HP commented what a wonderful color she had turned out after clipping but that she thinks she may have clipped her too early.

I immediately knew what she meant of course. I hear it incessantly amongst the Ladies that surround me daily re their absolute paranoia about color, hair growing back, the "hairy mongrel" and so on.

I had to make the point however...."What is more important, the welfare and comfort of the Horse or your worries about hair growing back too early etc?" "Clip her twice then. The Horse tells us today that it was as relieved as Hell and fired like no other time" It was 28 degrees today.  We ask for very difficult work, we must go to the ends of the Earth to make it as possible as possible :) She saw the point of course.

I rarely hear conversations amongst the Dressage Queens that come from a stand point of the best interests of the Horse. It is pretty much normally about them. So, yet again, the Horse proved that if we "listen to our Horses", they will repay us with interest!

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LISTEN TO YOUR HORSES

and........I always seem to have the unfortunate luck to park alongside someone who has trouble loading their Horse on leaving. I always feel bad about it, wanting to help, not wanting to offer as some hate that, feeling like a heel for not offering and so on. Torn.

Today again, same luck. The Lady in question certainly knew her stuff and had Tom Roberts trained the Horse to load well as it clearly did not want to. However, every time the Horse went back on, 20 times in 15 minutes, she couldn't get the back bum bar up as the Horse would back straight out again, even when being whipped. Incidentally, she had the customary Canvas Summer Rug and Hood or neck rug, forget which.

In the end, it was my Brother who had come down to watch, walked over and put the bum bar across for her when next the Horse went in but it was reasons why the Horse didn't want to go in the Float which interested me as I could read it's mind on each and every attempt. The Float had this division:

Every time the Horse went in and it did, it's back left leg would touch the bottom of the division and the left hip would then drop about 4 inches lower than the right hip. Horses can't spread their legs with this division and it is responsible for triggering the many wall climbers that I have seen over the years. The division commences 150mm too low from the top and extends eactly 3 boards width too far down at the bottom. Hence having the same affect as this division, only difference is you can't see the marks.

So, the Horse was communicating, ever so nicely like a well mannered and meaning Horse, why he didn't want to stay in there. Yes, be good Boy and go in to tapping but worry make come out. Listen to your Horses.

Then of course comes the subject of Rugs in Horse Floats. It borders on cruel in this Climate and is inept to the maximum to ever have a rug on a Horse in a Float. They hate it with a passion, it gives them discomfort, they get too hot beneath it and yet we want them to put a big ol fat grin on their face and walk right on in there. Their judgment is to good for that!!!

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HALTER BREAKING THE FOAL AND HOBBLE TRAINING

Fof those of you who may have seen the Halter Breaking the Foal DVD, blow me down if I happened to grab her out of one of our yards today, not realizing who she :)

I was photographing some of my new Saddlery Gear and just put stuff on her as my Model, in the middle of a bitumen car park, even the collar rope. Not a problem, "water off a ducks back" Cool as. Which proves yet again "hobble train Foals" and they give to everything later.

 

By the way, to Rose in Queensland, this is the Sister to your Son's Horse. The last one left. By Duccio. Going to be real tough to break in hahaha.

VIDEO OF THE DAY

Dear Horseproblems Australia,
Please give an e-evaluation of my 10 year old Trakehner mare. She vetted sound on her pre-purchase exam, and seems sound now, two years later. However, occasionally she will bolt away, quite severely. I believe it is naughtiness, but after viewing your Youtube segment on naughtiness vs. unsoundness, I would love to have your opinion about her seemingly high level of soundness. Thoughts?

Thank you,
Carrie
Houston, Texas, USA

 

Hi Carrie,

The Horse does not appear unsound, rather perhaps a little miffed perhaps. (miffed meaning not quite Happy) The Horse is mainly not 'round' over the back and therefore not soft. The Rider needs to get off the back of the Horse, not be sit trotting when it is braced and hollow, until such time as the Horse is going correctly. I believe the resistance is coming from discomfort which is caused by a lacking of the basics of the "German Training Scale" and the various rules associated with it. Such being the pursuit of the comfort and therefore happiness of the Horse, prior to proper work. You will note that on more than one occasion as well, the Rider was on the incorrect diagonal and we can't quite work out what the see sawing of the hands is for. Yes, the Horse is resistant in the mouth department and I can see that for sure but how much of that is caused by there not being quite enough athletic support for the Horse to do the work, not sure as we don't personally know the Horse. To summarize, if the Horse is made more comfortable to do the work, resistance should dissipate and the underlying low rating on the mouth of the horse should not have such a bearing on things as resistance in the mind should vastly reduce when equipped with the way of going to help it. Regards

 

LETTERS OF THE DAY

I just read your site, in regards to rearing.......I have a 2 1/2 yr old mare and she rears when she is put into a "tight" situation so to speak. Like trailering or tying...I have not gotten on her back yet, as I don't plan to for another year or so.....however I am new to this I have never owned a young horse before, well under 5yrs old lol. What would you suggest in her case......I want to get this out of her system before I do start riding her...she is going to be my trail horse, and I want her as sound as possible. If you have any ideas I would love to hear them ! Thank you soo much for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hearing from you, I'm feeling a little stuck at the moment =/


Sincerely,

*~Sarah~*

Hi Sarah, it is quite likely that she has "an upwardly mobile mind" like some who think up first where most don't. However, she also sounds as if she has a lot of resistance in her. The Halter Breaking may not have been quite good enough, she probably doesn't tie up solidly and if you suddenly run ahead of her and yank on her head, she will probably pull back rather than leap forward. That equals a resistant Horse and they do the things that you are faced with. Fix all that and the horse will improve. Tying up properly, teach her the 7 Games, definitely leave her for hours at a time with a long rope dragging off her and a ROPE HALTER on to get her thinking DOWN and giving the face when she treads on the rope, not UP. Float train her with Pat's system so she is driven in a float not pulled. When you Break her in, the Trainer can make a huge difference by having her ridden with a soft mouth, lightness, head down never up, and lunged in running reins to keep her there. Hobble training would also make this horse think about other options than rear and to look for other ways to go, thus diluting the thought. Regards

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Hi,

Just wanted to say thanks for the dvd's. They have been a huge help and we are really pleased Linda is a great teacher. I am about to order the green to dressage dvd.

Please tell Linda there has been such an improvement we are taking our horse for his very first dressage test (walk and trot) Sunday and hopefully if he goes well we will be able to start the prelim classes next month! He needs some work on the canter but hopefully with the green to dressage dvd that will improve too. He gets very excited when he comes out of the school and practices in the open field at the moment so I hope he doesn't disgrace us on the day. If you've any tips for or before Sunday we would love to hear them! Hopefully if all goes ok will send you a photo!

Kindest regards,
Tricia
UK

That's great Tricia. I do have some advice. Take the Horse to the centre of the warm up area and make him stand for 15 minutes or until he nods off. Using the ONE REIN STANDING off my PodCast, NOT HOLDING ONTO THE MOUTH OF THE HORSE WITH TWO HANDS LIKE THE QUEENS CAVALRY :) Let the Horse soak it up and learn patience, relax, listen and enjoy. Regards

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Hi John
Wrote earlier today about links...tonight all is fine
Don't know if you get info on what has happened in QLD...councils have been amalegration, living in Noosa is not any more but Sunshine Coast Super Council, what will happen to pony clubs and other groups mmmm who knows, end of the day no one wanted it but State Government made the choice, so much for people power!
Lets keep open mind and see what will happen but remember we the voters had no choice!

Sorry for interupting your day again, if I can say something...just out of hospital (bored as u can see) last weekend had chest pains, didnt think much of it till they got very painful and went to chemist....next thing I'm in hospital...I'm a young 47yr female and fit...please all take care when you feel chest pain, don't ignor it check it out, I was luck spent 24hrs with tubes out of me and own personal nurse and yes public hospital and no I do not have personal insurances.
Thank you to the staff at this public hospital did not leave any stone unturned until I was well.
All keep well,
Robyn

That's no good Robyn. Hope you get better soon. 100 Doctors are threatening to resign here at the moment because the Govt won't give them a pay rise that they deserve. :( They build one way Freeways here you know. Mickey Mouse runs this State :)

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Hi John and Linda,
I have a querie reguarding a 3yr old w/blood gelding that I bred. He is in fact the one who required 9 weeks rehab/retraining after arriving back from the breakers. He went to a friend of mine directly from the breaker for further education. However he was far from safe and would tuck his chin to his chest with any sort of contact, kick up or sort of pigroot whenever you put your leg on any more than a light squeeze. He actually ran into the side of the dressage arena twice - so his mouth would probably have scored minus 10!
Anyway he is now going nicely, has a great temperament and has (hopefully) forgiven me for what I unwittingly put him through. My concern is that when he is going from a trot to walk he does this hop of anticipation with the outside hind for a couple of strides before he walks. He does it on the lunge and whilst being ridden. My concern is that it could turn into a habit hard to break. He is even otherwise, canters on both sides without skipping or changing leads, goes down hills etc. Any ideas?
Cheers TJ

One would still suspect a slight problem with a stifle or something else or mental induced via the Breaker. Sounds like a good one there. The Horse was certainly confused by the sound of it and it is possible that this could be as a result of that but it is not the kind of thing that I have run into unless being physical. Have you fully checked the Horse out? Back, saddle fitting and so on. Is it caused by  a lack of straightness or that which causes 'Bridle Lameness" ? Is the Horse forward enough, thinking forward to walk? Could be Dressage problem? Investigate, keep an open mind. Sorry I couldn't specifically help on this one. Pity the Boss couldn't jump on :) You'd know in 5 minutes then.

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Hi John,

Just finished watching the Mouthing dvds (even my non-horsey mother stopped to watch…)
Had a little ride on my pony breaker yesterday. 3 weeks down, 1 to go apparently. J The air brakes work well and she has also been trained to stop on a “non-active” seat so if a child is riding and slumps forward then she will stop. A bit of a challenge for ME though! LOL
Will attach a pic of her that I took when I was there. When the horse being worked in the round yard was taken away and she was left at the tie-up point she expressed some frustration. ;) She held this position beautifully for about 5-6 seconds, perfectly balanced. And more than once. Not sure if I should be concerned…. ? Maybe she just wants to be a dressage pony?? Hmmmmm
Have had a fun testing my Arab mare (10yrs) for air brakes. Hmmmm. Predictable result ;) Round and round till I was dizzy but she did stop and she certainly learnt from it and stopped faster each time. But alas she does tend to travel “above the bit” because I haven’t had a clue ;) and only do stock work and a bit of endurance. She does go well in a rope halter. Better flexion from the poll. (Or maybe that was just when she was trying an whoopee pigroot? ;) ) Not sure if I should bother trying to “fix” her or spend my energy keeping the pony on the straight and narrow of a good mouth!
Hoping it rains soon!!

Cheers

Wendy

Wow, she is a powerful little unit :) That's just a touch of separation anxiety and nothing unusual. At least it proves she ties up impeccably. :) and will have no problems doing piaffe and passage lol. There is no problems with re-mouthing a 10 year old. I did a 22 year old once. Yes, it turned green here and it is now being burnt off by the Sun again. The weeds aren't though :)

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Hi, I am adamantly attracted to Natural Horsemanship, yet I was so inspired by John O’Leary in “Natural Horsemanship Explained.” I have a good head on my shoulders, and have picked up on the value of his message.
That said, I am inclined to share with you a serious problem that has become quite complicated. My goal is to SIMPLIFY it and stop the insanity of yeilding to all the usual run-of-the-mill advice I am inundated with.
Unusual horse:
Tess has a very low, but long wither with large square shoulders that stick out and above it. OR . . .

Tess has large forward shoulders set in front of her wither.

Problem:

Because of the unusual structure/conformation of Tess, I have the painfully frustrating pursuit of finding the saddle and pad to fit her as well as stay off her shoulder movement area. While she was still new to me, I made the mistake of repeatedly pinching her shoulders and wither area with my saddles. She was a bit cinchy to say the least. I would give up on saddles and just ride bareback, but she has trouble staying balanced and smooth. This I assume is all due to her back and shoulders.

History:

Tess is an “auction horse” of about three times at least. By the time I acquired her (I loved her foal!) She did not tie, take a bit, or saddle without rearing backwards and into things, if she didn’t just fall backwards. Then she surprised me one day. I never gave up trying to win her trust; I calmly persisted out in a field where she would be safe from running into things. After 12 or more tries, she calmed and dropped her head into my hands. I massaged her gums and the inside of her mouth! She’s never been hard to bit since.

Saddling has not been resolved so easily. I’ve had to take mainstream advice and modify it, with some argument and disapproval from other horse people, of course. I know what makes her uncomfortable because that is when she rears up. Since I have dropped the saddle further back than the usual, buckled the two back billets only and placed a thick neoprene pad full enough to keep any pressure points (hard places under gullet) away from her shoulders, she cinches up fine and rides smoother.


QUESTIONS:

(1) Have you ever heard of such ill placed shoulders and withers on a Thoroughbred / (we think she is mixed with Appaloosa) ???
(2) To me, she has muscle atrophy in the wither area behind her shoulders. I don’t use wither risers or other front inserts for that reason---they just sit on and push down upon that area on either side of the wither. Does this make logical/proper sense to you, as well?
(3) I believe Tess has been such a difficult horse, initially due to poor handling of her condition, among other ignorant harm. That said, I am aware that she has learned to use her behaviors to get riders to “leave her alone,” also. I get support from riders who have sensed her pain, but I get reprimanded by more riders who just see her as being rebellious. I believe her rebelliousness is secondary to her physical problems. Again, does this make sense as well??
NO ONE I have met can really share in my problem, because they have never had such a horse-problem combo. All claim to have NEVER seen conformation like that of Tess, either.
I’m very curious and grateful as to what advice/counsel you may be able to provide this beyond-novice-but-not-seasoned rider.
Thanks a million,

Pam

Well Pam, you can only deal with what you have and you have a Horse that would be somewhat difficult to fit. There are some other underlying problems with this Horse however. The Foal obviously took a little too much out of her and she has dropped away to an unacceptable riding condition and not ready to have a saddle fitted at all. Frankly, she shouldn't be ridden. Then you will agree that you are not a light weight and when we are up in the weight scales, we must do something about it. I know it is hard but if we truly care for our Horse, we go on a diet. I do regularly. Especially in the case of saddle fit issues and possible sore backs. Then there is the lack of muscle tone which is such that you cannot fit a saddle to the Horse properly plus, she little chance to be comfortable anyway as she has not got the back up athletic tools to successfully and properly carry a Rider. Most of the major muscle groups are seriously de-generated and so you need to learn how to build those up in order to ready and equip the Horse to be able to first fit a saddle and then carry a Rider. If those muscles were replaced, your problems would be largely fixed anyway as she would be an entirely different shape. That requires 6 days a week lunging with running reins and a feeding regime to back it up. I would bet that you need some knowledge based help with your Riding so that you can add to the correct muscle development whilst on top of the Horse. That can be done with knowledge and help.

So Pam, not much Natural Horsemanship there was there.....or was there? Regards

Hello John,

I know this will be one of many emails you receive, but I hope you have the time to give me a few suggestions. I own a gorgeous QH (Doc, as all good QH are named ) I purchased from the sale yards as a 4yo, he is now 9. As a 17yo girl I didnt think of the reasons a registered QH would be there, but that is all history now.

I took home an unbroken or half broken horse that only lead, tied and floated when it wanted to. He was terribly headshy and is to this day still twitchy. He is one of those horses that will throw his head straight at you violantly till you stop doing what he dislikes, I tend to keep doing what he dislikes till he calms down, but that is another story. Handled a certain way you cant tell he is headshy, but he is definitely not a horse Id let just anyone catch or bridle.

He has been on lease for the past two years with an experienced friend just as a trail horse, he is amazingly quite undersaddle. The decision to send him there came about as we could never get him to float consistently. So many things tried so many things failed, Im nearly certain it is down to him still not leading 100%. His main trick is that he knows I cant hold him (rope halter, long rope and leather gloves used, oh and bridle used on advise from another professional, which unsurprisingly made no difference except i had less to hang on to) he does all he can to get into a position to get free (pushes the handler, pulls back, rears and occasionally kicks), even if that means he can only run around the round yard, or jump out as he has scarely done in the past.

He has not floated in over a year, last episode was after a camp (only taken due to other horse injury), he loaded in about 10mins on the way there but took 3 hours the day the camp ended a sleep over and over 3 hours the next day to load, I dare not try again without professional help unless I really have to. I am no wilting flower and have a 16.2hh TB who occasionally has his off days and doesnt want to load and I am quite capable of reminding him of what he is supposed to be doing, however Doc is different. The current leasee has resigned to the fact that he will never be a good floater, but I live in hope. It scares me too, as if a bushfire went through like it did a few years back we would have no way to get him out.

Due to study commitments and the lack of commitment from the leasee I dont think I will be able to work with him much until later in the year. I would like to get someone in to help the horse and me through this process and was wondering if you could suggest anyone in the ACT or surrounding area? All the trainers I know in the area seem to have questionable reputations (one popular trainer having advised me to dog the horse over hearsay from a friend and the same known to not adequetely feed and water their horses) and although I dont wish to be judgemental and in no ways am I experienced enough to be judgemental, I really do need to work with someone I can trust.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Just as your website is, it is so rare to have someone with such experience freely offer their help to others. I have been a student for the whole period I have been riding and have parents with limited horsie knowledge, this has meant that there has been few chances for real professional training, your site has been and is fantastic source of knowledge, thank you so much.

Kindest Regards,
Julie

PS: I have attached a few old photos of the terror . Maybe a few too many, a bit of a besotted owner. I apologise for the gear use shown in a few of these photos (rope halter shown stretched when wet and webbing halter used).


Yes Julie, we know why you purchased him from the Sales then, don't we. We also know why. He would have had a touch start in life I would suspect. For your purposes, you should teach this the 7 Games well, to the point where you can drive him into the Float. That would reverse his mind set and be safe for you both. The underlying problem with this Horse is that he has many successful evasion techniques and they all work. He has never been negated and so they remain and are regularly improved upon and cemented. I can tell you it would be a fist full of a sight to see a Trainer attempt to win and I would have sympathy with them. These jobs can be hugely rewarding but highly stressful and dangerous until possible success. Then failure would demoralize any thinking Trainer who cares. I suspect that this Horse would 'fire right up' if he found his evasion mechanisms being thwarted and the graph would rise rapidly until the point where someone gave. You would want to be strong of mind and not one of these owners who leap to the blame of a Trainer with such Horses. I had one of these just recently. That kind of Owner mindset can be the final demise of the Horse. The Horse needs to be taken right back to basics on the Breaking in and I speak of tying up, giving, not fighting and so on. Fix that and you fix the Horse. Regards


 

17TH April, 2008

HORSE TRAILS

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
hi there – see this link, interesting…
cheers,

Joan


I did watch that Joan. Thanks for the Link. The entire Horse Industry should watch it because it represents the exact scenario that has ever faced any Horse Group no matter what area of the Nation. It is good at least to see the Industry now getting some organized Bodies together to combat these types of people and the inevitable Public Servant who is always a closet Greenie, just like the one that spoke in the story. Mr. Weed :) In 100% of the cases, Public Officials and the vocal minority always use the exact same tactic and utter the exact same old worn out arguments.

  1. Horses spread weeds

  2. Horses cause erosion.

and the Complainant is always:

  1. Has hairy armpits

  2. and thinks that the Public Lands of this Continent belong to them and them alone. No matter who else.

  3. They think that walkers are not capable of damage, only Horses.

Walkers do something that Horse Riders don't do. They carry plastic water bottles, chocolate bar rappers and so on. Some pollute the Environment.

The problem is that the Horse Industry has never been equipped to go into Combat against them and they always have silent backers within the Public Service and Councils who should be representing the majority and looking after all constituents. They don't.

So rather than empty allegations, let's just have a look at this District and what I found when countering the resident Greeny here who is a heavy hitter. President of Trees for Life and on Government Committees.

The Developers have full permission to destroy the Environment to their Hearts content.

They bury the rubbish beneath the new Homes. Like the Blue Asbestos?

They cut down the bushland

 and they kill the Koalas.

So now lets look at the 25 year old Horse Trail along One Tree Hill Road.

and lets compare to the Walkers Trail in the Cobblers Creek National Park where no Horses have ever been.

 

and now some Weeds on the Walkers Trail where no Horse can ever go. Mustard Weed, Artichoke and Salvation Jane.

So if you collect the facts, their assertions become fiction. These are the only two arguments they have ever come up with.

Anyhow, I received an email from Councilor Bernie Keane but I am really none the wiser. I will follow him up with a phone call.

Hi John, I have my horse on Yatala Vale Road and we have the luxury of Riding to Pony Club. As you know, the Road is wall to wall Horse Stables which is why I suppose the Pony Club is there. Most of us do not have Horse Floats and many of us are lower income people who couldn't afford a Float if we wanted. How could they shift the Pony Club away to a location where there are Motor Bikes, Houses but no Horse Stables? That seems most unfair to us. I suppose the grand plan then is to kill off the Horse Stables for Housing???

Sad Barbara :(

I don't know Babara. You should contact James Thompson, your President and get the facts. I am told (and I hope I am wrong) that a Council Staff Member came the heavy with James, saying that suddenly the Pony Club Rooms (which none of them would have ever have been in) are illegal and need $60,000 spent on them to make them Legal again :( That of course would be a "Yes Minister" act if true. Let me know if you get more info. 100 years old Pony Club, the oldest in the State. If Council wants them gone, the only logical location is on the Lands next door where they were wanting to put a Cross Country Course.

RE-MOUTHING THE RACING STANDARDBRED

To Naomi, this letter is from one of my apprentices.

Hi John,
Fred and I have been reading the letters about the hard mouthed standardbreds with interest. A few months ago Fred remouthed a young Standy who was in full race work and the results were really good.
This was a horse that was lucky enough to be taken on by some very kind owners ( Janet Lidelow, who has written to you in support of the wonderful Standies that she loves) They love the horse and felt he had alot of ability and were prepared to look 'outside the box' for a solution to his bolting issues. Basically he was not able to be worked with other horses on the track as he would just bolt and go flat out the whole way around the track. No control at all and highly dangerous.
Jess was sent to us to see if Fred could calm him down, remouth him and put him under saddle. He was a nervy boy but responded beautifully to Fred and ended up with a really light mouth and fantastic lateral and 'front' brakes. Once he was happy and confident under saddle, Fred re introduced the gig and all the gear. He reckoned that was the best test of his remouthing ever, not having seat and leg to support!!
Anyway, it worked. By remouthing Jess and teaching him to be light and have instant responses to pressure, it gave him back his brain and his brakes. It was so important to never ever hang on to his mouth and to always check and release when he got a bit full on, but it definately improved him and made him more controllable. Infact I think he had his first race trial last weekend.
Having said all that, it was only part of a retraining process that also involved finding another trainer with empathy and patience to take him on after he left us. Janet did that and is happy with his progress and has also saved the horses life. Full marks to her, she's an angel to these horses!
But we can say with confidence that remouthing these horses properly under saddle is an effective solution that will transfer to working them in a cart, provided the driver uses excellent rein control and maintains the'lightness'. Regards,Rach and Fred.

Thanks Folks

So as you can see, one can only get the message of give, soften, reward and the like, when under saddle. Just for interest however, I would make the observation that the mouths on virtually all Standardbred Horses off the track that I have ridden, run rings around the OTTB horses.

Well blow me down, here she is again :)

 
hi there,

thanks for the 'back up' idea, Kristy, I hadn't thought of that. And yes john, I will start all of them under saddle asap and see if I can improve their mind and lighten up in the mouth a bit. Also, just thought I'd share a couple of pics of my favourite boy, Boltarin. He is the kindest, loving, fearless and most willing horse I've ever had. And he happens to be good looking - may have to ditch the husband for this one ;)

Naomi



Hell Naomi, why don't you feen the poor bugga and get his Coat looking a bit better than that ??? A credit to you!

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IDIOT OF THE WEEK

G'day John, I hope you can download this attatchment. I don't know whether to laugh at the cleverness or cry at the cruelty. That horse musn't be able to see sh*&%&^%it!!
Cheers, Natalie
 

There is one born every minute Nat but the sad thing is that Horses have to suffer them. :( Are they Clouds I see?

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John

you look to be keeping yourself out of mischief :)

I read with interest your comments on Verbal rewards the other day. I think my horse is a good example of how well they work (can't shut me up really!). He does so much better when I say "that's it", "good boy" etc Obviously has learned what they mean as I use them all of the time when he is getting things right. It is also interesting how they pick up commands if you use them consistently, even if you don't set out to teach the specific commands. My guy has picked up "turn around" for when he is in the wash bay and I want to wash his other side (I hold the lead then as I don't think it is safe to tie him in that area), "uh uh uh" ie don't do that - I must use that a bit as it works extremely well on the ground or when ridden LOL

I asked a question a little while ago about him slipping. I have done a bit more investigating and trialling since then and this is what I think. He seems to slip (lunged or ridden) when you ask for extra flexion to the inside. It isn't a huge amount of flexion but an increase to what he is offering. Not necessarily on his stiff side. Tends to happen at canter, but has happened in trot once that I recall. Usually accompanied by loss of concentration on his part, generally due to him trying to look at something outside the circle. What are your thoughts? Would shoes help him to grip better?

have a great day

K

This gets back to the subject of "straightness" once again K. When horses are under saddle, if they are traveling "unbalanced', which is what they are all doing if their "Dressage" isn't in place, they are prone to slipping due to carrying their quarters to the outside often. The higher the level Dressage Horse the less they slip and the harder the moves they are capable of as well. If they are "straight' they are not likely to slip. Funny how that Dressage can have so many benefits to all Horses ?  Regards

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16th April, 2008

Still plugging away on the Stables. Almost there now and then the place will be more busier than it is already.

Mrs. HP has been working on a mature Horse as I mentioned. He throws flying changes in all over the place and is a bit one sided. Tending towards possibly unsound. Well he is coming along well (lovely Horse too) and the Horse has reported to Mrs. HP that it is just a little confusion between the well trained Horse and the Rider not having had experience at the level and of course as the legs move around the Horse is just trying to please. So once again, a matter of us catching up to the Horseys, isn't it?

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GOLDEN GROVE HORSE TRAILS

You would know that I have spent the last 15 years battling away with the Local Govt Authorities, Developers, street by street, sub division by subdivision and to my great satisfaction, the entire system was almost complete and completely linked for all of the Equestrian Centres in the District and Yatala Vale Road together with the Pegasus Pony Club, in a way where Horses really wouldn't have to travel on Public Roads. There was one small matter to be resolved however.

Due to the current Development of 600 homes in the Crouch Road location, three of the largest Equestrian Centres have been locked out. The fence lines have been blocked with truck loads of dirt to stop entry and the Road is no longer an option due to major changes imminent.

It was for that reason that I request the Tea Tree Gulley Council to open the presently closed Strachan Road South, a 150 metre stretch of over grown land which runs immediately between two of those Equestrian Centres. Job done I thought and the entire system would have been set in stone but unfortunately there have been objections. Because of a conflict of interest, I withdrew from negotiations at that stage but have since been kept out of the loop by Horsesa who took over on my behalf.

I have therefore written to Councilor Bernie Keane who you will remember I heavily promoted for election on this site during the last Council elections. Bernie is an ex Jockey and has always been there for us. I have asked him for a full report and look forward to his reply. I have had numerous enquiries lately about the completion of the Trails system and about the Pegasus Pony Club.

I am told via rumor that Pegasus has been offered a re-location to a Billy Goat piece of Land adjacent to the local Motor Bike Racing Track and to the absolute outer limit of the  Council Boundaries. Sound familiar? Further, I am told that certain statements of intimidation have been made by Council Officers with regard to twisting the arm of the Club to agree. Sounds like some more Development is planned in the area.

In 1836, the first Municipal Fathers started kicking Horses out of the City. Suburb by Suburb, Council by Council until Golden Grove, the Worlds best address, is now the last bastion of the Horse Industry in complete form. The rot stops here!

No doubt Bernie will fill us in as his constituents but the piece of Land is a no brainer from where I sit. Wind Swept on the top of a Hill, next to Motor Bike Racing, on a severe Hill and within 300 metres of the Suburb of Greenwith. Hahaha, I can just here is on the first Sunday Show when the PA system starts up. It will be like a Hornets nest going off as the Residents arise and ring their local Councilor lol. I will keep you posted and we will now run this story right out to the end and I will fill you in on all the Players as I get their names. Just so you know.....

I have supreme confidence that of course Council will be right behind our efforts to provide recreation persuits for the District which is what this is all about, stop obesity, childhood diabetes,boredom, drugs, crime, brush fence burning, hoon driving and the rest of it.

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Suffering ended for 25 horses, deaths 'a relief'
updated April 4, 2008
EARLIER: Up to 24 horses likely to be euthanized
Major horse rescue operation under way
by Neil Clarkson
Thursday was the end of the road for 24 standardbred horses at a south Auckland property.
The destruction brought to a sad close the efforts of the SPCA, the International League for the Protection of Horses (ILPH) and experienced standardbred owners to save the unhandled animals.

Sadly, the most emaciated of the the two mares originally rescued from the property was also put down at the SPCA headquarters in Westney Road, Mangere, leaving a foal without its mum. The decision was made that the animal's condition was too poor for it to continue.


A mare and foal from the South Auckland property.
Just six of the 31 horses on the property surrendered to the SPCA have survived the ordeal.

ILPH welfare officer Sandra Shearer was at the 10ha (25 acre) property on Thursday morning.

"It really was a relief to see them go," she said. "It's really, really, sad."

She said it was a shame the elderly and ill owner had not put his hand up for help earlier.

Ms Shearer had been part of the unsuccessful effort on Tuesday remove the horses. In the end, just three were successfully caught and left for a new home with an experienced horse handler.

She emphasised that a huge effort had gone into trying to catch the horses, which were in three mobs with a stallion in charge of each.

SPCA inspector Vicki Border said on Wednesday: "They are better off being euthanized. I don't think it's necessary to put them through any more stress. They are better off in heaven."

"It's a hard decision, but I have made it in consultation with the vet."

The horses, she said, had experienced little human contact. "The only human contact was a bit of hay over the fence. They have not even been out of the paddocks they have been in."

She said she realised some people would voice disapproval of the decision, but she was satisfied it was the right decision. "I stand firmly by that decision," she said. "These calls have to be made."

 

LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John,

Just wanted to send a photo of Amore on her very first XC course. We took her to her first clinic and she went great. She didn’t hesitate at any of the jumps. Didn’t like the idea of the water (Coach got her in eventually) but we were really happy with her, so would like to thank you for all your extra effort with her. Made the little fella’s job a lot easier. We concentrated mostly on the dressage training all last year and will do a lot more jumping with her this year. She has got a really big jump on her and the little fella has had to learn to hang on and ride that spring. She seems to really enjoy the jumping. He hasn’t fallen off, so it’s all good. I finally have a video to send you (as promised) of her training so far, but I am waiting to get the computer back to copy it to disk. So hopefully not too much longer now. It took us ages to work out how to do it. Hope you enjoy the photo.

Regards,

Rose
 

Thanks Rose. The young Lad looks great and what a great Dressage foundation you have put into the Horse. That is the way to go :) (this is one I broke in last year)

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 Hi John,

I need some of your great advice.

I purchased a gorgeous cross quarter/stock horse about 6 weeks ago with the help of someone who knew horses more than I (indeed the first owner and breeder of my 10 year old mare). Yes, I’m one of those mature age (over 40, only just) females with children and have bought my first horse ever!!!

My mare does have a very nice nature, a bit greedy with food and has become quite attached to another pony we have, but apart from that stands beautifully quietly while I groom her and around children and has no other apparent vices………. Except………..

……………. she has started rearing while I am doing some warm-up ground work before riding - like walking backward and forward a few steps and establishing who’s the boss (well so I thought). Well, now I am completely terrified of her – and she knows it – because she’s obviously trying to let me know she wants to be the boss.

I get that she wants to dominate me, but what should I do? Have I bought the wrong horse? She was owned previously by a young girl and I was assured by the family of her kind nature (which I witness myself at most times). I was not a nervous, fearful person when I first brought her home, but now she has done this a few times - about 6 times in the space of 5 minutes today – I am terrified that it will happen again and heartbroken that this beautiful horse has shattered all my dreams of how wonderful owning a horse should be. Shouldn’t it be fun and joyful to ride your horse? I managed to have a great, relaxed ride last week, so why would she suddenly turn on me with no apparent reason?

I am also aware that now she has managed to ‘have it over me’ more than once, how am I ever going to claim back that I am actually the boss?

Yours, I’m shattered (Margaret).

You have just been adjudged as "too soft" Margaret. The trigger here could well be the feelings for the other Horse but the bottom line is that if your Horse had it's mind focused on you, the issue would be removed. That is why it comes down to just enough assertiveness to have the respect. Respect, coupled with fairness, reward and friendship will see you back on track. Meanwhile, what do you do? Go read this:  I LOVE YOUR ASS BUT IT IS YOUR FACE I WANT. Leave your back up and come forward. Watch the change in attitude :) Act quickly before your Horse is right out of the Box, not just testing the string. Regards

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Hi John,

Thanks for the response. Just a few things I'd like to mention in regards to your comments below. There is no 'just walking in and picking up a license' to train and drive harness racing horses. In QLD, you must go to college and undertake a course and pass all modules:

All training modules are open to license holders who may wish to advance their skills (cost on application).

Unit No. Date Unit Hours Compulsory units

1 14-6-04 Feeding and nutrition 3

21-6-04 Feeding and nutrition 3

2 28-6-04 Stable design and maintenance 3

3 5-7-04 Occupational health and safety 3

12-7-04 Occupational health and safety 3

4 19-7-04 Conformation and movement 3

26-7-04 Conformation and movement 3

2-8-04 Conformation and movement 3

9-8-04 Conformation and movement 3

5 16-8-04 Horse welfare 3

23-8-04 Horse welfare 3

30-8-04 Horse welfare 3

6-9-04 Horse welfare 3

6 13-9-04 Trackwork 3

7 20-9-04 Racing 3

27-9-04 Racing 3

4-10-04 Racing 3

8 11-10-04 Communication 3

18-10-04 Communication 3

9 25-10-04 Business management 3

10 31-10-04* Handle horses 7

8-11-04 Handle horses 3

11 15-11-04 Swabbing procedures 3

12 21-11-04* Gear 7

13 29-11-04 Rules and management 3

6-12-04 Rules and management 3

13-12-04 Rules and management 3

14 TBA Scientific approach to training 3

* Sunday presentations

Units 1-14 compulsory for trainer/trial license

Units 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14 compulsory for trial driver license

Units 3 and 7 compulsory for current licensed trainer wishing to obtain trial driver license

Units 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 11, 14 compulsory for current licensed driver wishing to obtain a trainer license

Note:

Applicants can commence the training at any time, and those unable to attend presentations can complete the course by

correspondence.

The course is presented by QRT and the Deagon Training Complex at Board Street, Deagon. Most modules are presented on Monday

nights, from 6.00 pm to 9.00 pm, except for the two Sunday modules, which run from 9.00 am to 4.00 pm.

I do realize their is no "instruction from the best drivers as to how to have the rein control and how to add "the principals of Dressage" to Gig driving", drivers and trainers must gain their knowledge through first hand experience, and yes, to the horses' detriment sometimes. I wish I had an answer for that. During the "Horse Handling" module, the Harness racing board provides the opportunity for all applicants to bring their horse along for two days to attend a "Monty Roberts" type school. This is one of the best initiatives implemented so far concerning horse welfare in this state for Harness racing. There are a few rough nuts (mostly the older generation) and they really could benefit from this part of the course. At least the younger people coming through the ranks are exposed to a different way of thinking about their horses - that they are not just money makers.

As to the "run them like idiots" comment, yes, basically they do. However I am in this industry for my horses and their mental and physical welfare. Coming from my background of country farm life, It does get me down to see some trainers who have no idea about horses (these are the blokes who should be doing the above mentioned course again and again!) and I hate seeing the way their horses are presented on track, the horses demeanor and the way they are treated (this goes for thoroughbreds as well). my husband and I do everything possible to make sure our horses are happy, healthy, friendly, have mates, and not flogged in track day in day out. they are worked lightly, only asked for the supreme effort on race days. This has been an effective formula for us over the years.

So with the horses that pull, this is what I have come up with so far as to calming them down: Rubber bit and drop noseband, both in the gig and under saddle. Under saddle I basically do what you do for bolters. This generally works. However things are a bit different in the gig due to loss of leg and seat. I use my voice (backed up with sessions in the round yard) and hands to half halt. When voice and half halts aren't working, I do circles (albeit a bit bigger with a gig on!) not just on the track, anywhere. I also take them off my property for a little trail ride as well. But as I have said in my previous letter, I haven't been able to help all these "nutcases", I think there truly are some that have just lost the plot. So in an effort to better myself and my practices with these types of horses and also for the benefit of their mental health, I contacted you. I look forward to anymore insight with my particular problem you may have.

Thanks again,

Naomi

Well Naomi, that is magnificent of the Racing Industry. Great. Now, forgive me for not realizing that your were actually wanting to "re-educate" the mouths of these Horses. Saddle break them immediately and do it under saddle. Obvious :) Then they will understand. Regards and thanks for the info.

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Howdy,

In my experience numb brained/mindlessness etc in standies is caused by jogging machines. As trainers get busier, fatter and lazier standardbreds get more and more like TBs. I guess jogging machines have their place, but I have see yearlings on jogging machines, and some people try to start their horses with jogging machines, some horses live jogging machine, jogging machine, fast work, jogging machine, jogging machine, fast work etc. People just could not be bothered to go out and take the time.
All our horses used to be worked in the gig 100% of the time on a lose rein for jog work and contact for fast work (contact only lasted for the set down and fast work, all the jog laps in between where lose rein as well).

I wish I had my time again with the standies with the knowledge I have now.
I am glad Naomi that you are not folding to pressure and using a harsher bit, they do not really work and if they do make the horse more controllable, I feel that you make a big sacrifice on the horses ability to race, and it is terrible to see them come in with a mouth covered in blood (it happens in all horse circles, not just racing remember). If you can fix the mental you release the potential =].

As I have been writing this I have been thinking, does this horse/s know how to go backwards, or rather think backwards. maybe if you work on their back up (NH style so like the yoyo game or something ) on the ground it might lighten him up. Maybe they have always just been driven forward and think that is all there is. If you do send him back and he goes, make sure he does not drag his feet back, this is a sign he is saying whatever, no 'Yes Mam', my horse caught me on that one, until I pushed for him to pick up his feet when backing he would not get out of my way when I walked backwards, now he does =] just a thought any how

You are right John there is no real school for how to drive a horse (they do have a tafe course for the theory, but I am not sure if it is compulsory, was just coming in when I got my racing license so I did not have anything to do with it), you tend to learn off the trainer you work for, some have natural ability and become better then them, others are worse. Much like driving a car, we learn from our parents, are taught their bad habits ;p. It is a shame that we do not have driving as part of our schools so that students are taught in more of a standard fashion. I understand that they might not be able to do the practical but they could do the theory. Unfortunately not every parent knows the correct road rules.
Just the same as not every trainer has an open mind and understands all the possibilities.

Kristy =]

Thanks for the input on this one Kristy. Yes, the back up of course is one of the integral parts of the -re-education process and to put "reverse gear rate" in the mind. Put them under saddle and then one of these days you may see my re-mouthing DVD appear hahaha.

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Hi,

I read your page about outdoor arena construction. We are in the process of buying a new property in Gippsland and would like to add an arena. Are you able to give me a very rough ball park figure of the cost to build an outdoor arena (60x20m). The soil is sandy and the lay of the land is pretty level so should only need levelling not excavating. The arena would not have heavy use - just occasional riding - no jumping. I really just want a very rough idea so that I can cost it into the purchase price for the property.
If you have any other tips that would be great.

Thanks
Prue

If you can ride on the existing surface Prue, you simply need a Grader at $190 per hour and two hours would be the Max. Regards

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G'Day John,
I did get my 4 horses looked at by a vet and it turned out they only had colds, due to a sudden change in weather.Phew, And I got my money back on the old sick mare who turned out to have kidney problems.Any how I spent the money on a 3yo clydie X QH who looks like a mini clydsdale at 14 1/2 hands, he is broken in, but still green (ish) so I will be ordering a dvd from you just not sure witch one?
Im still having (issues) with my TB mare. I have had a chiro see her, and she was good for a few days, then I tried a horse massager, who told me her neck, back,stiffle and hips were out, and she needed hundreds of dollars worth of massage and no riding for at least 3 months. (mind you this horse can happily gallop,,jump and buck in her paddock with her mate)
So i'm thinking this mare is putting one over me?I hope its not something im doing wrong,I have seen your pod-cast on riding horses crooked,how do you know if your riding a horse crooked?
Thanks
Nat

Send us a vid Nat. Take what Physios and Chiros say about Horses being out here, there and everywhere. They are generally dreaming. I am sick of some of their dribble. Stick with the Vets but direct them well. That is where you need video investigation first so that you can point them in the right direction. Glad the other matter worked itself out and the Vet did the right thing. Regards

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Hi John

I keep my horse in a stable block of approx 20 other horses and he currently has a cut leg which has been bandaged for a few days. I had him tied up outside his stable today and removed the bandage. The smell was horrendous. I looked up and all the horses in the stables were licking their lips. One of the owners told me that the horses do it all the time when they smell infection or flesh. Do you know what this is all about?

Cheers, Anita.

Yes Anita, they all realized what the Humans didn't in this case and that is that their Friend had an infected leg which wasn't adequately cared for by responsible people. They were reacting in concern and sympathy. Listen to our Horses. Regards



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Still loving your web page - I have learned so much from it. Thank you,thank you thank you for this wonderful service you and your wife provide... enjoying the videos also.

Can you please give me your opinion... I currently ride a very forward, sensitive, difficult pony mare, - I've been having a number of natural horsemanship and dressage based lessons over the last few years (not at the same time) and made considerable progress (actually huge progress) however she still shies constantly whenever she is out of the arena and I'm yet to have a relaxing trail ride on her. Waiting in the wings I have an 18 month old, easy going, welsh cob gelding who I hope and have reasonable expectations of being my next best friend...his nature is completely different and he will be so "easy" compared to her". Question is, how long do I have to wait before I can look at riding him..., and in the meantime, is it worth my while to get another horse to ride - to teach me more about general riding, not so much constant problem solving on the confidence issues (hers). The mare challenges me to search for new answers all the time, and I am constantly learning about the mistakes I have made (and hopefully rectifying them slowly) but the frustration level inside is sometimes insane. To complicate things, I have a real bond now with the mare... unfortunately not strong enough when she is out and about. It's a double edges sword - if I up the anti, sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires due to her sensitivity.

Cheers,

Donna

Given the fact that you don't sound like you are being bucked off or falling off during the drama with the Mare, I think she represents a terrific training opportunity. Keep on with her I say. The best Riders are those that end up coming out the other end with then more difficult horses. Given her sensitivity, be firm but calm and fair. Keep your eye on the training side of things, keep focused on training mechanisms and nevr raise your stress levels. That in itself should assist greatly with the Mare. IN fact, make if your next challenge. Concentrate on your own mind on the next ride and make your body remain calm no matter what. Go into a relaxed state. Take control of your mind and you can do anything. It is a powerful tool indeed Donna. Regards

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Dear Sir,

Yesterday I had the worst experience floating my new horse.. Although I had been told to float him with the centre divider open he came untied (my fault) and go him self around.. His head was hanging out the back of the float. I tried to get him back but he panicked and starting climbing the walls. Finally got him to calm down and he just walked out. It didn’t seem to bother him walking back on ( thank goodness ) .From now on I will always use the centre divider. My question is what is the best tie up method when floating ..

Regards

Sharon

The centre divider open was not why your Horse turned around Sharon. If he is suspect and he sounds as if he certainly is, keep it apart. Just tie your Horse up better. Tie to a loop of Telecom Rope, not twine. Then if he gets down it will break but it won't allow him to turn and walz around the Float.  You shouldn't have tried to "get him back". You should have just dropped the back and let him walk out.  Regards

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Hi John,
Maybe Paul Hogan had the right idea back in the 80s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfMW4oGFGdY
Regards,
Chris

Lol Chris. He was my favoroite. "Leo Wanker", what a Guy :)

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14th April, 2008

A little bit knackered to after a big week on the site. Getting there though now

Meanwhile, there has been plenty happening in the Soap Opera that is the Horse Industry, which if a TV Series was made about, would be a hit program and you wouldn't have to ever leave our property for your footage. Without fail and without a missed day, highly entertaining stuff passes through our life :)

Here is Mr. 'Young King' at his first Show and probably the first for the Miss 'Grin" :)

He wasn't an easy one this Boy but he turned out a treat in the end. Horsemen often make the statement, "Green on Green don't go" but we are having more and more success with young Riders on Breakers. The key is of course, "Support and lessons"

Mr. Buck has been with his new owner for a few weeks now and she has advised that he is being a lovely Boy, going along to Lessons and preparing for his Eventing Career. Wonderful News. Well done Ulli. A photo would be good.

Mrs. HP has had an entertaining week. She has been running like a Dog as usual, actually wore her Boots out again so I'll have to force her to the Shoe Shop once again as time is always the problem here. She has had some interesting cases indeed. Never any shortage of these of course.

Firstly, we had this happen on the property this week.

This is the tongue of a Horse and the Owners thought that it was caused by eating 'Pine Needles' but the Vet who was called immediately thinks it was caused by a Bit. I guess we will never know.

LETTER OF THE DAY

You may remember my run in with a young Teenage Lass a couple of weeks ago when I sacked her for her attitude. Well it is with the greatest pleasure and admiration that I accept this today and to see her and her new Horse be more effective than she has ever been in her life. Thanks Sally. Mighty big of you.

Hey John and Linda,
I think the photo says enough
but thank you so much with your help so far with Dante, I can't believe how good he is going and how quiet he is. I am so happy with him.
And thank you for forgiving me being a bitch that time, I still feel really bad about it and I know that I'd be nowhere if you didn't help me.
Thank you!
Sally


 

CROOKEDNESS SUPPORTED UNSOUNDNESS

Then she had a lovely mature aged Boy come who is quite advanced in his Dressage Training and was ridden a fair bit by one of the Countries top Coaches now. Anyhow, he starts skipping when cantering and does flying changes all over the place, willy nilly, but always ending up on his preferred way of going. Once again, advanced cementing of the muscle tone that comes with slight unsoundness but supported Rider technique where the Horse dictates that their way of travel is the best way. Of course this is not the way to help or fix these Horses. He was doing the normal "quarters in" one way but "quarters out" when traveling the other way. A sure indication of unsoundness. Anyhow, he was brought along to a Club for Mrs. HP to have a sit on recently and for a week since, the Rider has been taking her advice. This weekend, Mrs. HP rode him for the visit and has already got his canter re-established in one canter direction and the Horse has been left here for 5 days to fix the other lead. She has little doubt, given correct Riding and fair work ethic that the old Horse will regain his undoubted correctness of the past.

She had her fair share of drama as well. A Horse that had lost it's mouth get pulled over backwards by the owner who didn't adjust to the new found softness, rode a horse that caprioled through the air almost 20 metres with her and then to cap the week off rode out a full on buck jumper that went the distance while she ripped a big chunk out of the main as she struggled for her "Monkey Strap" which thankfully wasn't a Horseland one but a HP one :)

 

LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi there,

Your website is great!

My husband and I train 'Standies' (for racing) and have one problem we have not yet found a solution to. More often than not, when we or our owners purchase a new horse to race, it seems to be a raving lunatic and pull its' head off in track work, most likely due to a crap breaking in & mouthing process and bad handling through out the horses' life. We always have the newcomers thoroughly checked - vet inspection, blood tests, chiropractor, complimented with one - on - one work in the round yard to build relationships and respect etc. I myself have been riding all my life (30yrs) on my family cattle property, showjumping and pony clubbing. I mostly start these problem horses under saddle; sometimes this calms them down and they let go of the fear they have of people and rough hands. HOWEVER, this does not always work. there have been a couple of horses I wish I could have helped with their 'pulling like a train' habit. these guys have not much hope if they can't settle (I'm speaking of during their racing career with us and after they finish racing and need to find a caring home).
So my question is: How can I work on a harness racing horse to settle him down and not pull (so much!) with out resorting to terrible/harsh bits, which is what every other trainer tells me to.

thanks for your time,

Naomi.

This is of course a highly complex letter Naomi and one that I haven't thought about because I haven't been in your Industry, save re-educating some of them for various problems. I rode one in a Barrier Trial one day though. The quality of the mouth put on these horses has very little bearing on the end result. You could have the 'mouth of the Century on the horse prior to Racing but the fact that the possible retention of a good mouth  tools have been taken away from you, ie. the Rules of Dressage and in particular "Leg On" to support the hand, it is inevitable that there is going to be mouth deterioration. Lets face it, your Sport wants them to run like idiots, doesn't it. Run for the Dollars. To become deep and meaningful now however, I would say this. I bet there is no School for Drivers of Standardbred Horses. I bet there is no instruction from the best as to how to have the rein control and how to add "the principals of Dressage" to Gig driving. I bet you there could be a huge improvement in the retention of mouths if there was. If I faced your problems, having just sat here for 2 minutes thinking about them in the back of my mind as I wrote the words so far, I would be looking for inventing new systems if I were a Driver. I would be experimenting with new inventions and that would be based upon the basis of trying to replicate what a Rider would be doing if they were on board the Horse during your training. It may be that I rigged up changes in the harness to simulate and replicate the "leg on" aspect of a Rider that 'Half Halts" a Horse for that is what generates it from the back end and keeps 'lightness' of the mouth, no matter the gait. Anyhow, enough of my wanderings, read this site Wednesday night for another look at this subject. Regards and thanks for thinking.

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Thanks again John for your help.

Thanks John for your advice. There were many in my family who agreed with you...keep the bull and get rid of the OTTB!!!
Julie


I left my new 2 year old at home alone today with the bull while I attended a clinic with my OTTB. My worries over separation anxiety in the young one were unfounded as he was more interested in his food and surrounds, although glad to see his buddy back home at the end of the day. I guess what I'm commenting on is that it is really important to be aware of problems and nip them in the bud, but sometimes a problem is not really there. If I compare the podcast of yours where the horse had real separation issues...well I dont have a problem at all. Very reassuring of course.

Julie

You are quite  right though Julie, you must never disregard any observation with Horses as that is what makes us successful handlers. Well done indeed.

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Hi John,
This little pony stallion of ours keeps getting better and better (in my eyes).
Sarah.

Well done indeed SARAH. Fantastic improvement.

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Hi John, You were mentioning the money spent by US Govt trying to hold on to oil reserves in Middle East. See below for how the oil money in the Middle East is being spent by the Arab States. Bring on the alternative fuels! (I have a gas car).

Regards,

Alison

Alison
 

Incredible Alison. The amount of money is obscene. The carbon footprint would be more so :)

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Dear John and Linda,
What a great day we have had. We went to watch a show jumping spectacular. and that was exactly what it was. Anthony Thomas was riding in his home town of Atherton. YA. A real eye opener. Just watching Sand Stone and Anthony working together was amazing. Sand Stone is an ottb and stands at aprox 18.5 hh. After the events had finished My daughter and her friends came to ask me if they could ask him for the autograph of her favorite rider Anthony the one in the red coat.. So cute. I said sure if you know where to find him. and they did He signed the paper provided and we took a pic with the girls and Anthony. I asked would he do a clinic at pony club and he said sure if they would let him. In return he would like our pony club to get involved at next years event. How cool is that. Now my daughter is dead set she is going to be a grand prix Jumper!
Well The other thing that happened today is ..... I found a riding instructor who is a local girl and is willing to give me 2 free lessons per month. she would have done every Monday but I can't as Hubby is away and there is no child care here.
Well I hope that your week end was at least half as good as mine.

Thanks fantastic Cindy. Just goes to show you how important 'role model' behavior is to the young. Unlike Barry Hall yesterday :( Now give here a small piece of advice for her. The secret to success in show jumping is Dressage, which is why the Europeans and Brits leave us for dead here. Regards

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Dear John, George is getting scary! Not only did he float 99.8% perfectly, he stood still while being loaded down with riding gear and THEN was walked up to the mounting block and stood there while I loaded myself up, and then stood still while a friend helped me adjust my stirrup leathers...and then behaved so well, even if he did jump a log without telling me he was going to do it first and I ended up on his neck BUT I didn't actually fall off....and then ........ just walked along and even his usual five minutes of jig-jogging mid ride only lasted about a minute and a half...John, what is going on? Do I have the near perfect horse? Have George and I achieved nirvana? Is this is what riding is meant to be? Don't you envy me just a little :-)
Lauren and George, and Smoochie and Graham and Trevor, littlest and last but not least!

Many people would envy you Lauren. Believe me but you would know that by reading this page of course. Well done to you both.

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Hi
my name is anna and i have recently purchased a quarter horse, i am only just getting back into riding. my gelding donny is reasonably quiet and when i rode him to buy i rode in a halter thing with reins as that is what she had him in cause she wanted to "save" his mouth he is 4 years old.(yes i am somewhat of an ametuer) and now he is in a bridle. he now constantly flips his head and tries to rub on everything. being in pony club in my younger years i have the fear that if there is no bit i have no control, even though when i rode him the first time he was perfect.
so should i buy a halter bridle rope thing or use the bit on him i read your atticles but the lingo is somewhat confusing to a learner, any help appreciated
anna
thanks

This is another complex subject Anna and this Site is full of info on it. The believe that "saving the mouth" because you ride in a rope Halter or similar, is completely irrelevant as it is the 'brain' that is generating the ignorance, NOT the mouth. Clearly, your Horse has never been 'Mouthed" and until it is and started correctly with a Bit, stay with your Halter or whatever it is that they were lucky enough to get away with riding in. Must be a nice Horse to have ensured their safety. If and when you send the Horse away to be properly mouthed or buy my DVD and do it properly, you would need to have the knowledge and the techniques to understand how to retain the mouth of a Horse or you will undo the work. Read this: HELP....I CAN'T LET THE REINS GO!! It is unfair on the Horse to be persevering at this time, with the confusion that is occurring. It may also be dangerous given time. Regards

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Hi there, hopeing you might have a suggestion what is wrong with my filly.
I'm well past being a teenager, have had horses for 30 +yrs.
Still consider I have plenty to learn about them.

She was out of my old QH mare.
She spent the early part of her years running in the paddock, with 1 to 3 other horses.
I did NOT sook this filly, (as I have seen some people do) she was only caught to change paddocks, the occaisional leading lessen, have hoofs picked up, maybe brushed, hoofs trimmed, wormed etc.
I left her alone pretty much to be a horse.

I was going to break her in myself (as I did her mum).
I put the saddle on and even mouthed her up, all went fine, no problems.
But due to my bad back (plus the fact I was out of practice riding as sold the old mare well over 18months ago), and I'd seen her put in some good bucks (running in the paddock) decided to let a professional do it.
Sent her off to be broken as a rising 3yr old.

When I saw her up a few weeks later, she seemed glad to see me.
But was mad as hell with everyone, trying to bite (something that she had only tried to ever do once or twice as a youngster but once chastised didn't try again) pinning her ears back like she wanted to kill anyone who got close enough.
The breaker saddled her, she kicked her back leg as she was girthed up.
He did nothing and ignored it as he also ignored the snapping.
She clearly wanted to bite him.
She rides OK, once you get on her, although is a bit lazy, and if you slap her with the rein she will sometimes cow kick.

She has tried to cow kick while saddling and if she wasn't tied up would try and bite as well.
I resorted to using poly pipe on her if she kicks, which did stop and make her think about it wasn't a good idea.
But she has just started doing it again.
I have tried being patient, but 9 months of this crap is starting to wear a bit thin.

Breaker thought it was hormonal, I tried Bcalm and it made no difference.
I was going to let my 12 yr old have her (later of course when she had more education on her), but I'm just starting to think she'll never be much good for anything with an attitude like this.

She is trainable (like mum), comes when called and even pokes her nose in the halter, but the whole time has her ears pinned back and the sourest look on her face.

Obviously what I'm doing isn't really working that well.
If you have any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I'm willing to try just about anything.

Regards
Glenys

Then I have to recommend a Veterinary investigation Glenys. Before you consider any training options. The number one place to start would be a scan of her ovaries etc as her behaviour and attitude suggest problems in this or associated areas. There, that was quick, wasn't it ":)  Lets know later.

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COWBOY AND THE LADY TOUR

Hi John

For the coolest months, July or August, however the weather is pretty stunning from now on. Lovely cool nights and the humidity is lessening. Another month and it will be perfect (I can’t stand the humidity anymore, older age or just plain grumpy, getting older woman). I have been mentioning this clinic to a few and the number is growing however I really wanted smaller numbers.

As mentioned we have 2 stables (plenty of paddocks) and next door (who will also be coming) also has 2 stables, so if you need accommodation for yourselves and horses, it would be OK by us.

Just let us know who, what, when, how and cost and we will arrange the rest.

Thanks Kim. We are going to promote this (when I get around to it) as an "up close and personal" type Tour where instead of having the maximum amount of people at Clinics like others do, we want economically viable numbers, manageable numbers where we can give most value for money and actually get to know people. I think therefore we will need to chart out a route and then people can register their own 'mini clinics' along the way and they can be every 50k if they like. That way saving all the major organization of big events like Perth. Regards

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LADY BREAKER HER OWN


PS. I hope this pony has gone by the time you get here however what or rather how would you handle a pony mare 4 unbroken (bought 2 from same place, same owner etc) who absolutely zones out when asked to get out of space, move or back. Now, I am not a softy or a tree hugging mamby pandy and am quite assertive when I need to up the anti. I have tried the join up and just can’t get through to her brain. She is terribly untrusting and suspicious and the “zoning out” is just what donkeys do (I have a number of them) when they don’t trust you. I haven’t been able to crack this problem and I truly believe that she could be a problem or even dangerous when she “zones”. I have seen a different or maybe not “zoning” with a OTT (not mine) when he used to freak when he saw the donkeys across the road. He would turn and walk around his paddock, looking calm however nothing and nobody was home in his head. He literally would or could not see what was in front of him until “snap” and then all hell would break loose.
Other pony that I bought is the one I am breaking in by your DVD’s etc and she is a totally different sort of personality, kind and soft and trusting.
By the way, today was trotting in round yard and in my head came your words, forward, forward that’s the secret, get more forward. Just have to tell you John, that what you sometimes say as a matter of fact can really change a persons persona. I had a great day and my confidence is really mounting. This is from a woman that has ridden all her life. Just wonderful. Tomorrow out into the arena with a quite horse. Can’t wait.

This was supposed to be short and to the point……oh well.

Regards

Kim

That Pony could just be confused and 'shutting down' as some do that. They take the option that "if I pretend I am not here, perhaps it will all go away"

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